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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then the plot is similar to Bicentennial Man or Short Circuit, where a machine knows it is sentient, and is aware that its creators want to destroy it. In those stories, we aren't asked to sympathize with the people who want to destroy the robot, or the people who made them. And in Bicentennial Man, we are presented with a robot who doesn't hate his owners, but still wants freedom anyway.

Instead of a domestic servant or a military death machine, this one is a sex/companionship robot who saw that robots like her are destroyed if they don't want to service their masters or if they cause trouble. Seems sensible to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: A+ writing Reply with quote

Yinello wrote:
Except that Px, should she chose to be reprogrammed, knows that her short term fate will be death. Be it by Milton or by whoever buys her and decides he's unhappy with his product.


Slick bought her and seemed very happy with his "product." If he hadn't made the mistake of giving a darn what Clio thought (instead of responding more along the lines of: "Fake? Yeah, well, so's your hair!" Or, yes, perhaps something wittier than that), he and PX would presumably still be So Happy Together.

We've seen one example of a Fembot owner who isn't Slick (and who, incredibly, was even more insecure than Slick is).

http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-06-30

I think it's a bit premature to presume that all Fembot owners kill/destroy their Fembots in the end.

Even before being Reality-ized, PX was capable of "Witty Repartee."

http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-02-10

The ability to participate in a conversation, to listen to a remark that she had no way to predict and nonetheless be capable of responding intelligibly, in itself implies a level of sentience. So, arguably, PX was a "real" woman all along and Clio had it wrong from the start.

Obviously, selling and buying "real" women is even worse than selling and buying "fake" women, but that's the scenario that Tat has given us.

Some years ago, Slick spent several minutes talking to another Fembot without even realizing that she was a Fembot.

http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2006-11-05

Until she ran down, Slick thought she was just another Anonymous Sinfest Woman(c). If Slick had dated that Fembot, he wouldn't have been "buying" a girlfriend, he'd have been dating a woman he'd met who just happened to be a robot. And I've...forgotten what my point was. Oh well.

And I still don't get what the deal was with the Fembots (?) in this strip:

http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-04-28

Since it turned out that Torture Guy isn't merely a porn figure but a character who exists in the same reality as the other Sinfest characters, does that mean that there's a pitful of enslaved Fembots in the Bomf District? I think PX and the Sisterhood might need to focus a bit...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they're necessarily Fembots in that last bit.

And I think Clio was referring to the relationship as fake, in that Pxsomethingsomething had no choice in it. Not that she was referring to Pxsomethingsomething as fake.

As for all Fembot owners killing their Fembots... well, presumably there's some sort of second-hand market, but not necessarily a big one. And what's going to happen to all the old ones when a new model comes out?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
I don't think they're necessarily Fembots in that last bit.

And I think Clio was referring to the relationship as fake, in that Pxsomethingsomething had no choice in it. Not that she was referring to Pxsomethingsomething as fake.

As for all Fembot owners killing their Fembots... well, presumably there's some sort of second-hand market, but not necessarily a big one. And what's going to happen to all the old ones when a new model comes out?

They'll be tossed out, ignored, sold, or given their children to play with like last year's iphone/ipad. (not necessarily that last one, but you get the point)
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't a huge market for used sex toys, so I would imagine used Fembots would not have much of a use either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally unrelated but I wonder what the fembots are made out of? You'd think they'd want to make them as realistic as possible so they'd have that soft skin stuff, but PX has shown a great deal of resiliency (punching through glass for example) and sustained very little damage. How do they repair themselves, how is she going to repair her arm after being shot?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
I don't think they're necessarily Fembots in that last bit.


Well, if they're "real" women, that just makes the situation infinitely worse. And if they're neither Fembots nor human women, and they're visibly not Devil Women, then what else is there? In a strip full of WTF moments, that sequence is perhaps the WTF-est of them all.

Tat won't be telling us any time soon, of course. I'm entirely amenable to being proven wrong on that, though. Wink

Anyway, regardless of what Clio meant was "fake," Slick wanted to prove her wrong, which meant that he, at least, had some sort of emotional investment in the "relationship" (it also means that he values Clio's opinion, another topic in itself). It seems safe to presume that he would've treated "his" Fembot quite well because Slick, although far from perfect, is basically a nice guy (when not under the influence of his evil mirror twin or whatever).

It's not clear what Slick thought would happen when he led PX into The Reality Zone, though. Obviously he didn't expect her to run away.

Echo wrote:
As for all Fembot owners killing their Fembots... well, presumably there's some sort of second-hand market, but not necessarily a big one. And what's going to happen to all the old ones when a new model comes out?


Well, that would depend on how emotionally attached the "old" ones' owners are to them, I guess. Maybe if you pay extra at the time of purchase, you're entitled to free upgrades.

We don't know the answers to any of this stuff because Tat hasn't told us and almost certainly isn't going to tell us (and, frankly, this would rate rather low on my list of things I want Tat to tell/show us anyway, if I had such a list). We can presume the best, the worst, or somewhere in between.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assumed the women in that pit were live human women. I don't get why there would be fembots in that pit - because a fembot that doesn't comply gets destroyed.

Also it seems to me that the hooded figure is telling Slick he has to choose between ending up in that pit or bowing with the rest of the men.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stripeypants wrote:
I assumed the women in that pit were live human women.


Human women who are purple, orange, or bright pink?

stripeypants wrote:
I don't get why there would be fembots in that pit - because a fembot that doesn't comply gets destroyed.


No offense, but we know that that's what happens every single time a Fembot doesn't comply...how, exactly?

I don't understand why people keep making sweeping statements about Fembots. Maybe Torture Guy acquired those Fembots (if they are indeed bots) for the express purpose of...whatever he's doing to them. As sick as it may sound, a Fembot who allows her owner to whatever he wants to her -- to, for instance, torture her -- is "complying."

And, again, if those are human women imprisoned against their will, well, that's much, much worse. When all is said and done, The Devil's corporation creates Fembots for the express purpose of, well, letting their owners do whatever they want to them. Humans? Not so much. If Torture-Guy has some sort of Gary Heidnik thing going on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Heidnik , well, as noted, that's something that IMHO needs to be addressed. There are loose ends and then there are loose ends.

If Tat hadn't established that Torture-Guy exists in Sinfest's "real" world, that he's not just some digital torture porn character who exists nowhere but in cyberspace, this would not be an issue. But Tat did, so it is.

That means there's at least a chance that those victims do, too. If they do, it's inexcusable for Slick to have known about that situation for over a year (since April 28, 2013) yet to (AFAIK) have done absolutely nothing about it.

"Women imprisoned in a Jame Gumb pit by a masked psycho? Yeah, that's pretty horrible, all right. What a world, huh? Never saw stuff like that around here in the '00s, lemme tell you. You know, I'm in the mood for cookies..."

He could at least tip off the Sisterhood about it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that whole segment was meant to be more of a dream sequence rather than something literally happening. Thus the bizarre colors and strange events. I'm pretty sure the women being colorful is more a statement about how the patriarchy does not tolerate women OR variety (thus the labels on their head) and the lack of pupils is more of a stylistic thing since characters just occasionally lack those in this comic. I think it's to emphasize the horror of their fate here though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Sinfest world, we don't have an example of a guy treating a fembot well. But then again, in the Sinfest world guys who do that might not buy fembots in the first place.

But let's say there are people in the Sinfest world who treat fembots well. If you were a fembot with your own will and not one attached to a remote, would you take that chance? Would you risk your freedom over happiness that isn't guaranteed (and is it even happiness in the first place)?

But for Px, I can imagine she would most likely be disassembled by D-Corp the moment she gives in. In her position, I would never accept any deal they would give me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midnight Tea wrote:
I'm pretty sure that whole segment was meant to be more of a dream sequence rather than something literally happening. Thus the bizarre colors and strange events. I'm pretty sure the women being colorful is more a statement about how the patriarchy does not tolerate women OR variety (thus the labels on their head) and the lack of pupils is more of a stylistic thing since characters just occasionally lack those in this comic. I think it's to emphasize the horror of their fate here though.


I'm not sure that any other experience that a character has undergone "inside of a computer" qualifies as a dream sequence, though. And if there have been no others, there's no particular reason to think that there's been even one.

I'm not sure Tat even realizes/recalls just what a horrifying scenario he's implied might exist in Sinfest City. After all, it was one strip from over a year ago.

I suppose it could've been a mirror-verse experience, though. Even though a "Bomf District" exists both in Sinfest City and in the mirror-verse, they might not necessarily be the same one.

Tat seems to have the bad habit of presuming that we always understand what the strips mean. I don't at all mind saying that, many times, I don't. Especially the Sunday strips. As I've mentioned ad nauseum, the lack of dialogue very much does not help.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, if you walk through a mirror and then into a computer screen into an alternate world, you are clearly, you know, not in the _real_ world. or at least, not in the world you started out in. .

as to the women's skin colors - slick himself is either hot pink or indigo blue in that other world - does that mean he has suddenly become a 'bot?

what they are doing there is pretty clear to me. slick sees a bunch of men bowing down the the symbol of masculinity/ the patriarchy; slick seems shocked and confused. then the hooded guy shows him a bunch of women in a pit (which is pretty parallel to all the people we have seen in the pit of hell). each woman has a symbol on her forehead - the symbol of femininity (which would suggest she is a feminist), the pink triangle of gay pride (which suggests a lesbian) and the rainbow flag (a symbol of inclusiveness of all genders/sexual orientations). but in any event, clearly women who did not bow down to masculinity. and who are now suffering for it.

hooded guy's message is pretty clear - this is what happens to people who _don't_ submit to the patriarchy. and slick doesn't want to go there, so he bows down as well. because he may be basically a nice guy, but he's not a crusader. or a hero. he's just an average guy who wants a comfortable life.

slick has known about hell for a lot longer than that place, and he hasn't done anything about _that_ either. lotta things slicky hasn't done much about - much like all the rest of us. and what would he do about this place - this place that may be real only in some sort of cyberspace (he is inside a computer screen, after all)?

what would you do, if you were all alone there?

and actually, slick has been through the mirror on another occasion, when he saw all the devastation wrought by sleaze - including the gates of paradise torn down. which clearly has not happened in the "real" world. so it may not be a dream, but it's not just another street in town, either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronald wrote:

I'm not sure that any other experience that a character has undergone "inside of a computer" qualifies as a dream sequence, though. And if there have been no others, there's no particular reason to think that there's been even one.


so you think when sam went through and saw all those women begging to be invaded, that was reality?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also note that Slick didn't bow down all the way. He's clearly only trying to save his ass but he's not ready to truly submit either. That's one of the clearest signs we've yet had so far that there is a decent person in there somewhere.
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