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July 31, 2014: s'dat one guy again
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: July 31, 2014: s'dat one guy again Reply with quote


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Jabberjay



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
Well, reading these differing interpretations about the bomfstitution strip have been eye-opening. I mean, it's a pretty simple depiction of the whole men-get-horny-and-NEED-sex-to-be-normal-but-women-who-have-sex-are-cheap-and-"used" thing.


I don't know about you guys, but where I live there doesn't seem to be any general social attitude demanding that women should stay virginal until marriage. There definitely would have been 50 years ago and there definitely is in many, probably even most, parts of the world, but not in the here and now. If anything a grown women without at least some sexual experience would be seen as an oddity, though not really in the point-and-laugh kinda way.

Maybe the reason so many of these heavy-handed symbolic strips fall flat for me is because relative to where Tats lives I'm kickin' it up in a feminist paradise? That would explain a lot, although perhaps it plays into the whole "Canadians are more polite" thing. Maybe the people of Ottawa have fucked up prejudices, they're just too polite to speak them aloud?

EDIT: I also don't naturally make an association between male sexual desire and evil or sin. It's definitely more like releasing a build-up of pressure than exorcising demons. Lust isn't inherently evil, evil acts are.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Echo wrote:
Well, reading these differing interpretations about the bomfstitution strip have been eye-opening. I mean, it's a pretty simple depiction of the whole men-get-horny-and-NEED-sex-to-be-normal-but-women-who-have-sex-are-cheap-and-"used" thing.


Well, again, that's fine on a symbolic level, but this is an ongoing comic strip with its own individual set of (meta)physics (being made up as it goes along, perhaps, but still). Anything involving a Devil Person has potential implications for the nature of Devildom itself.

On another note, kind of odd how "patriarchial" faith systems tend to emphasize the inherent weakness of men, of their supposed inability to control their own lusts, and make it the responsibility of women to suppress themselves in order to keep from "inflaming" said lusts.


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2009-03-13

Why should it be women's job to control men's lusts? Can't men do anything for themselves? Men want to rule the world but they can't even rule their own bodies?

(As a man myself, I'm speaking in general terms here.)

Not entirely unlike a sentiment that occurs to me when I see some uproar or another (oddly enough, usually from followers of "patriarchal" faith systems) about how a book, song, movie, etc will "corrupt" children and needs to be censored:

"Why is it my job to worry about your kids? If your kids are influenced by outside forces that easily, maybe it's time for your to evaluate your performance as a parent. Being a parent to your kids is your job, not mine."
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Censorship is like telling me I can't have a steak because a baby couldn't chew it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's appropriateness and there's censorship.

Appropriateness means you don't show porn in a preschool.

Censorship means you don't show porn anywhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EverythingsJake wrote:
There's appropriateness and there's censorship.

Appropriateness means you don't show porn in a preschool.

Censorship means you don't show porn anywhere.


In my above simile appropriateness is knowing better than to force-feed steak to a baby.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct. Or Coke or coffee or anything else an infant is not developmentally ready for.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jabberjay wrote:
Censorship is like telling me I can't have a steak because a baby couldn't chew it.


Or it could just be the implication that you're an infant.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jabberjay wrote:
EDIT: I also don't naturally make an association between male sexual desire and evil or sin. It's definitely more like releasing a build-up of pressure than exorcising demons. Lust isn't inherently evil, evil acts are.


it's not really the action - it's about how the person feels about the action. this guy is off in the bomf district, paying for sex....one suspects that he himself views his actions as sinful or wicked. and he transfers this sense of sinfulness to the object of his lust, once his lust has been satisfied - the old patriarchal madonna-whore thing.

it's like eating bacon. if you believe that all pig flesh is unclean, going out to find and eat bacon is a disgusting depraved thing to do. for the rest of us, it's just delicious bacon.
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Echo



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, again, that's fine on a symbolic level, but this is an ongoing comic strip with its own individual set of (meta)physics (being made up as it goes along, perhaps, but still). Anything involving a Devil Person has potential implications for the nature of Devildom itself.


...and I'll believe that when that Devil Girl you call "Mint" turns up again with an explanation of who and what she is, what she did to Slick precisely, and *why*.

Or, you know, maybe she was just an extra who popped up and changed things a bit so Tat could explore themes around the duality of public image and private behaviour.

I'm not expecting some deep, overarching, years-long-running detailed construct of what being a Devil Person means. Not from a guy who makes stuff up as he goes along, shifting things so that they represent seedy undercurrents in society, or the repressed, second-class citizens, or bullies or criminals or anything else he feels moved to comment on.

Shifting tracks a bit, if you're equating censorship of porn to eating steak, then imagine what it feels like to be the cow. Or a calf, living in a town of steak restaurants, getting told "Veal is illegal but we're going to have a big public countdown of how many days until your sixteenth birthday, when we can eat you".
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