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EverythingsJake



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:19 am    Post subject: August 21, 2014: Well, hardly ever Reply with quote



So innocent, that boy.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I will stick with hentai, that way I'm only sexually objectifing imaginary characters. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I've said it before but it bares repeating, I'd love for Squig to become the better person, not Slick. If Tat is going to have one of his guy characters have a real epiphany and change, I just think Squig is a more interesting character to do it. I'd like for him to give up porn and not even brag about it. Just give it up cause it makes him uncomfortable, expecting nothing in return for it. Maybe Clio could find out or just keep it to only Squig and the audience knowing, either way.
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wobster109



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually hate Squig. Actual hate. When he does stuff like ordering a fapaccino, I really hate him. It's not funny, it's creepy, and it's the sort of behavior that drives women out of the workforce and girls out of STEM.

That said, no one deserves to have a gun pointed at them. Here in the US we've had all too much of people pointing guns at each other.
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Hekateras



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, agreed on the creepy bit. I can see the other point too, though. Like, Squig strikes me a lot like the sort of immature teenage kid who's easy to influence through peer pressure and talks about boobies and porn because that's what all his friends talk about - just looking at that giggly 'teeheehee' in the comic linked. He reads more like someone who's immature and might grow out of it, like you've said, because he realises it's actually pretty messed up and not all that funny and not expect praise for it, while Slick is more set in his ways and trying to not just be part of the culture but 'be a playa'.

Both do creepy things and things that would be offputting and threatening to women for reasons that came about due to the way they were raised and influenced by culture.

The comic also makes a very good point in a pricelessly entertaining way: predicting who might be a creep really isn't a rocket science. Nine times out of ten, the guys who'll act like creeps with real life women face to face are the guys who already act like creeps with women in the media they consume, or with women in the abstract when they talk about them with their friends in a sexist way. Society not stopping the more entitled and violence-prone creeps in advance isn't a problem of the signs not having been there for all to see, it's a problem of the signs not being taken seriously.
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ShadowCell



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a 3d holographic lap dance app?

is it

is it called

lapplication?
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Echo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel sorry for Criminy. A rare appeearance, and it's in another strip where he doesn't get to say or do a thing...

And I'm not expecting Squig to change. He's throwing out excuses, and it still all revolves around him.
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Yinello



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's weird how Squig thinks Fembot was mad at him despite the fact that Fembot pointed the gun pretty much in Slick's face. Also has he ever mention Slick when discussing this? It feels pretty... self-centered? Like delusional self-centered.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Re: August 21, 2014: Well, hardly ever Reply with quote

Wait, Squig thinks that this qualifies as "propositioning"?


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-06-22

No wonder he never gets any action.
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: August 21, 2014: Well, hardly ever Reply with quote

Here's a much, much earlier example of Squig's concept of "propositioning":


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2000-10-11

Here he gets closer to the basic concept of a proposition, a.k.a. implying or outright stating that you want to have sex with the propositionee:


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2003-07-05

Oddly, he got the exact same response in both instances.

In contrast, Slick has, from the start, tended to get right to the point...


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2000-02-20

...apparently operating under the theory that if you ask for sex from every woman you meet, eventually one of them will say yes.


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2003-08-14

SUNDAY STRIP: http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2007-07-29


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2007-08-18

Perhaps needless to add, Slick never managed to make this strategy work. Still, at least some of them were polite about it, so there's that, anyway.

The strip's tone has changed quite a bit since those days, of course.


http://sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-04-30
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Ronald



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hekateras wrote:
Yeah, agreed on the creepy bit. I can see the other point too, though. Like, Squig strikes me a lot like the sort of immature teenage kid who's easy to influence through peer pressure and talks about boobies and porn because that's what all his friends talk about - just looking at that giggly 'teeheehee' in the comic linked. He reads more like someone who's immature and might grow out of it, like you've said, because he realises it's actually pretty messed up and not all that funny and not expect praise for it, while Slick is more set in his ways and trying to not just be part of the culture but 'be a playa'.

Both do creepy things and things that would be offputting and threatening to women for reasons that came about due to the way they were raised and influenced by culture.

The comic also makes a very good point in a pricelessly entertaining way: predicting who might be a creep really isn't a rocket science. Nine times out of ten, the guys who'll act like creeps with real life women face to face are the guys who already act like creeps with women in the media they consume, or with women in the abstract when they talk about them with their friends in a sexist way. So[/size]ciety not stopping the more entitled and violence-prone creeps in advance isn't a problem of the signs not having been there for all to see, it's a problem of the signs not being taken seriously.


Before judging Squig too harshly, I think that it's important to remember:

He's

a

Talking

Pig

In fact, he's apparently the only talking pig in the Sinfestiverse. He's alone in the world in a way that no human being can ever really understand (as is Seymour, but that's an entirely different topic).

Unless I'm mistaken, the sex lives of real-world pigs are limited to when females are in heat, during their (checking Wikipedia) estrous cycles, when they're sexually receptive. Male pigs are sexually drawn to female pigs during that time but not otherwise. Unless I'm mistaken.

(In my own defense, I know that I'm getting myself into trouble here.)

Human women don't have estrous cycles. To put it very, very crudely, human women are, by strictly practical definitions, always sexually receptive. I can but presume that the same applies to Devil Women.

Yet Squig can't persuade any of them to have sex with him. He's unable to do what the immutable laws of biology insist that he must do. Because he's a sentient pig. The only one. In the world. Of course he's obsessed with sex.
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Jabberjay



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is wrong with propositioning a woman (or anyone) for sex so long as there is a socially appropriate context?

What is wrong with pornography? (Remember that one exception disproves the rule before making generalizations in seeking to answer this.)

What is wrong with strip clubs?

What is wrong with phone-sex hotlines? ("They seem creepy" is not a valid response in this instance, the moralities of social justice don't revolve around what does and doesn't creep you out.)

What is wrong with Webcam Shows, besides the obvious malware risk? (I'd never put my computer through that.)

What is wrong with a 3-D holographic lap dancing app other than it being a frivolous, if inevitable, use of revolutionary technology?

Remember: Male sexual desire is always bad and women who act sexual in ways that make Tats uncomfortable have no real agency of their own and are tools of the Patriarchy. They can't possibly be responsible for their own decisions or expected to be held accountable to them, that would be treating them like actual adults or even people.
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Catel



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jabberjay wrote:
Remember: Male sexual desire is always bad and women who act sexual in ways that make Tats uncomfortable have no real agency of their own and are tools of the Patriarchy. They can't possibly be responsible for their own decisions or expected to be held accountable to them, that would be treating them like actual adults or even people.

Tat is more Christian than feminist and the real heroes of Sinfest are probably Ezekiel and Ariel Smile
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Echo



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-05-08
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Yinello



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a difference with a guy asking if I'd like to have sex and a guy who yells out loud that he wants bite me all night long.

But Tat's views on sex has always been a little shadey for me. Too much women in sex jobs = oppression and too little sexual freedom.
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