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Mindslicer



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mouse wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
In a representative democracy voting is more a civic duty.


What makes it a duty?


The desire for functioning governance in any way shape or form.


i would say, choosing to live in a democracy. there are plenty of governments that function, and that get (and want) no input on said governance by their citizens (or should one say subjects?) if you are offended by the expectation that you vote, you could always move to one of those.


Well, until the U.S. comes along to spread democracy to wherever you moved to. Then you 'chose' to live in a democracy again and it's on you to move again.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

right, the fact that the US has screwed up the whole "spreading democracy" think is totally the best reason not to vote here in the US.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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right, the fact that the US has screwed up the whole "spreading democracy" think is totally the best reason not to vote here in the US.


Just pointing out that the whole "If you don't like it, move" argument falls flat when the people you move away from follow you (for your own good, of course.)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mindslicer wrote:
mouse wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
In a representative democracy voting is more a civic duty.


What makes it a duty?


The desire for functioning governance in any way shape or form.


i would say, choosing to live in a democracy. there are plenty of governments that function, and that get (and want) no input on said governance by their citizens (or should one say subjects?) if you are offended by the expectation that you vote, you could always move to one of those.


Well, until the U.S. comes along to spread democracy to wherever you moved to. Then you 'chose' to live in a democracy again and it's on you to move again.

Yes, just like we "spread democracy" to all the most popular expat destinations. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... that's the gubmint's plan: to follow the disaffected non-voters and bomb the shit out of them. You're absolutely right and perfectly coherent there, Mindslicer.
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Mindslicer



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
mouse wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
Mindslicer wrote:
Monkey Mcdermott wrote:
In a representative democracy voting is more a civic duty.


What makes it a duty?


The desire for functioning governance in any way shape or form.


i would say, choosing to live in a democracy. there are plenty of governments that function, and that get (and want) no input on said governance by their citizens (or should one say subjects?) if you are offended by the expectation that you vote, you could always move to one of those.


Well, until the U.S. comes along to spread democracy to wherever you moved to. Then you 'chose' to live in a democracy again and it's on you to move again.

Yes, just like we "spread democracy" to all the most popular expat destinations. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... that's the gubmint's plan: to follow the disaffected non-voters and bomb the shit out of them. You're absolutely right and perfectly coherent there, Mindslicer.


More or less coherent than "If you don't want to be forced to participate in the electoral process of the Land of the Free, move to some country with less freedom"?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean more freedom, surely. Because those other countries won't force you to cast a ballot, like a bunch of tyrants.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah for serious I wanna hear more about the sausage sizzle too. All I got for voting was a lot of judgmental glares from old people and a sticker.


to be fair those stickers are pretty awesome
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
You mean more freedom, surely. Because those other countries won't force you to cast a ballot, like a bunch of tyrants.


Ask Mouse if she meant more free than America when describing countries that have "governments that function, and that get (and want) no input on said governance by their citizens (or should one say subjects?)"

I presumed she was implying they are less free by intimating the people there would be subjects rather than citizens.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the important part here is that they won't hold a gun to your head and force you to vote.
At least, not until the US Gubmont does their census, finds you missing, flies their drones over and declares Freedom on the country you're in. Right?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WheelsOfConfusion wrote:
But the important part here is that they won't hold a gun to your head and force you to vote.
At least, not until the US Gubmont does their census, finds you missing, flies their drones over and declares Freedom on the country you're in. Right?


Is that what you think I said? You may need to lie down.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Mindslicer. I literally think you said that. In fact I retyped your post word for word.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShadowCell wrote:
Samsally wrote:
Yeah for serious I wanna hear more about the sausage sizzle too. All I got for voting was a lot of judgmental glares from old people and a sticker.


to be fair those stickers are pretty awesome


A sausage sizzle is the proud Aussie tradition of cooking up a load of bangers on the barbie* and serving them on a piece of white bread on a serviette (which sounds fancy but it's basically just a really cheap napkin) and usually adding copious amounts of tomato sauce and/or grilled onion. They are usually found at Bunnings, parties on the beach and pretty much every kind of fundraiser everywhere.

*I don't think I could say this in real life with a straight face
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(I feel the same way about "done chya know") Anyway sounds like a slightly altered version of a barbeque which is mostly just gross hot dogs and hamburgers on stale bread with ketchup and mustard.

And weirdly there is never any actual barbeque sauce.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen everything at bbq from burgers and dogs, to a whole pig, to oysters mussels and clams, to beef ribs.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one uncle who does steaks but literally every other bbq I've been invited to has been the same sad story of terrible food and disappointment.
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