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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reality is a brilliant satire.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what if our reality is God's satire? Shocked
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now THAT is a conversation I would love to have with annoying bible thumpers.

No offense meant to anyone on the board who is religous. I meant the ones that came to your door and won't take no for an answer


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mantismag wrote:
what if our reality is God's satire? Shocked
Are you suggesting it isn't?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sort of off-track, but...

OK, I don't think it's possible for anything both perfect and omnipotent to exist, so if there is a God, it's imperfect (or, perfection does not include omnipotence). and here's my reasoning:

1. something that is perfect cannot logically improve. right?
2. this means that it is unable to improve. right?
3. so, if it's unable to do something, then it isn't omnipotent. right?

therefore, there is no such thing as a being that is both perfect and omnipotent.

um, feel free to pick this to pieces. i'm sure some philosopher or another has said it already and already been shouted down.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bun bun wrote:
sort of off-track, but...

Woman, there ain't such a thing as off-track in Sinfest. It's freeform discussion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mantismag wrote:
what if our reality is God's satire? Shocked


Our reality is more God's Reality TV. We need to worry when he/she/it opens up the voting lines...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"And then God vanished in a poof of logic." I just can't handle the idea of an all loving God plus hell. Something is off there so I interprete the way I want to. Yay!

And the Colbert Report is brilliant satire.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i win..hands up
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bun bun wrote:
sort of off-track, but...

OK, I don't think it's possible for anything both perfect and omnipotent to exist, so if there is a God, it's imperfect (or, perfection does not include omnipotence). and here's my reasoning:

1. something that is perfect cannot logically improve. right?
2. this means that it is unable to improve. right?
3. so, if it's unable to do something, then it isn't omnipotent. right?

therefore, there is no such thing as a being that is both perfect and omnipotent.

um, feel free to pick this to pieces. i'm sure some philosopher or another has said it already and already been shouted down.


the classical argument against omnipotence is one of creation.

1. an omnipotent god can create anything
2. god can create a boulder so large even he can't move it
3 if he can't move it he's not omnipotent
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the classical response...
C.S. Lewis wrote:
His Omnipotence means power to do all that is intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. You may attribute miracles to Him, but not nonsense. This is no limit to His power. If you choose to say 'God can give a creature free will and at the same time withhold free will from it,' you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix to them the two other words 'God can.'... It is no more possible for God than for the weakest of His creatures to carry out both of two mutually exclusive alternatives; not because His power meets an obstacle, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk it about God.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

when you figure out why the chicken crossed the road..or if the egg or the chicken came first..then you will know the answer to this question too


omnipotent and perfect are just words made to create a neverending query about the existence and abilities by counteracting each other

but if you think about it..and have seen that bruce show thingy with jim carrey...God cannot force people to accept and love him because that would be taking away freewill..so in essence..isnt that saying God is not omnipotent even though he made all and everything and is all powerful and all mighty?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God could take away freewill, though. He/she/it chooses not to or is there free will at all? The whole your brain sends signals before you do anything arguement.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PsycoMonkey wrote:
but if you think about it..and have seen that bruce show thingy with jim carrey...God cannot force people to accept and love him because that would be taking away freewill..so in essence..isnt that saying God is not omnipotent even though he made all and everything and is all powerful and all mighty?
Good question. Giving people the oppotunity to make a choice does not take away from God's omnipotence; He could have made little automaton robots if He wanted but He didn't. Love by definition involves a choice. That doesn't render Him powerless.

EDIT: BTW, there's a paradox at play here, an old one: Free will or Predestination? Arminius or Calvin? Centuries old. My personal viewpoint answers "Mu." Not yes, not no. Kind of a Schrodinger answer, I suppose. But then I believe God is bigger than our logic. After all, He created it. Smile


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to understand God and His thoughts and motivations is beyond our puny human comprehensions.

It's a cop out, sure. But it's also the truth. Try to explain the concept of low and high air pressure in a lifting form (airfoil) to someone from around 10,000 BC, and I bet you can come off as a god.
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