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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject: May 6, 2018: Better Programming 6 Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That 89% statistic is oddly specific.

It comes from this article:

http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdf/Prostitutionin9Countries.pdf

The lead researcher of that article is Melissa Farley:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Farley

The average age one is also oddly specific.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=average+age+of+entry+into+prostitution


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

higher ups aint gonna be happy for this one. how is this helping the woman in charge here?
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Using discredited statistics does no credit to a cause. Reply with quote

There are real-world problems with the sex-industry, but using discredited statistics for propganda does no credit to a cause.

Still, in the context where "legalisation" means "allowing pimps to devilise women, and employ fembots, in bomf-booth comercial districts guarded by miltiary grade warmechs," and "feminisim" is being portrayed as a subsersive terrorist organisation, there should no expectation that the statistics shall be even remotely realistic.

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Nordic model"? Legalise prostitution but forbid buying sex? I'm all for that! Seems a bit out of line with the rest, though.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Farley is opposed to sadomasochism in general. Her essay, "Ten Lies about Sadomasochism", outlines her opposition to BDSM practices; such practices are abusive, harmful and anti-feminist."

So, put away those handcuffs, buggy whips and peacock feathers, you anti-feminists!

Which leads to an interesting question: What about men who pay a woman handsomely to humiliate them in various ways where there is no physical contact, and no actual sex? It's apparently a thing, and some women make a living at it. Is that "prostitution" as well?

"An anti-pornography activist, in 1985 Farley led a National Rampage Against Penthouse with Nikki Craft. The Rampage was a campaign of the public destruction of bookstore-owned copies of Penthouse and Hustler which were denounced as violent pornography. Farley was arrested 13 times in nine states for her actions. In March 2007 she testified in hearings on Kink.com's purchase of the San Francisco Armory, comparing the company's images to those of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib."

It has often been observed that the Puritans strongly opposed "bear baiting" not on the basis of the cruelty to the poor animals, but because the crowd might be deriving some pleasure from it. I would like to believe opposition to prostitution is entirely concerned with human welfare, but sometimes it seems there's tiny little feeling of sexual repression lurking in the background.
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taemon wrote:
"Nordic model"? Legalise prostitution but forbid buying sex? I'm all for that! Seems a bit out of line with the rest, though.


I'll do you one better: The New Zealand model.

I mean, the Nordic model makes buying sex illegal, as if it's some sort of crime that inherently has a "victim".
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronometry wrote:
Taemon wrote:
"Nordic model"? Legalise prostitution but forbid buying sex? I'm all for that! Seems a bit out of line with the rest, though.


I'll do you one better: The New Zealand model.

I mean, the Nordic model makes buying sex illegal, as if it's some sort of crime that inherently has a "victim".

There is no need to be a victim for something to be a crime.

I'm not sure what I think actually, it's a complicated subject. I detest the buying of sex. But there's plenty of things I detest that I don't think should be illegal.

In my country, buying and selling sex isn't illegal either, I was very surprised when I found out it was in the USA. Land of the free, yeah?
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronometry wrote:
I mean, the Nordic model makes buying sex illegal, as if it's some sort of crime that inherently has a "victim".
Well, the idea behind the Nordic model is that the sex worker is inherntly the victim, and so should not be punished extra by arrest (but instead by reducing the client pool so they cannot afford to avoid the riskiest customers, et cetera...)
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taemon wrote:
I'm not sure what I think actually, it's a complicated subject. I detest the buying of sex. But there's plenty of things I detest that I don't think should be illegal.


Indeed. I'm no fan of alcohol, or indeed any recreational drug, but I recognise that I have no right to take it away from everyone who does enjoy those things.

The important thing is to make sure people are aware of the risks involved, do their best to minimise risk to themselves and others, and that all involved parties give informed consent.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the average age of people entering the sex industry is 13 and 50% have been homeless that means for each 20 year old there's gotta be people below age 7 or so, and half of them or so would be homeless.

Also research shows CSA (which you're saying is 72%) generally results in a 100% PTSD criteria, so if only 68% have PTSD then what is that saying?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/84-percent-of-workers-looking-to-leave-their-jobs/

So apparently it's only 5% more with sex work?

Also what sex workers say is: don't legalise sex work, decriminalise it
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their clients are less creepy than the average guy on the subway because they're respected as professionals, especially if they get the ability to prejudge their clients, which new american legislation has taken away
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cleocatra wrote:
... their clients are less creepy than the average guy on the subway because they're respected as professionals, especially if they get the ability to prejudge their clients, which new american legislation has taken away


The notion that every single person who pays for sex is a "creepy misogynist" is akin to the notion that all Gay people are child molesters, and all Trans people just want to use the restroom to leer at or molest women.

It's a highly judgmental assertion that is simply not realistic,regardless of how you perceive sex work in general. It smacks of a fanaticism, which claims at first to be concerned for the welfare of others, but soon is revealed as something else. This is why someone who claims to care about human life can murder a doctor or throw acid at someone going to work at Planned Parenthood. It can be about not wanting other people having sex as much as protecting others.

Back in the 1980s the claim that "All heterosexual sex is rape!" was feminism to some. This strip seems to sometimes display the same attitude.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cleocatra wrote:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/84-percent-of-workers-looking-to-leave-their-jobs/

So apparently it's only 5% more with sex work?
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm stuck on "legalization increases trafficking." Isn't trafficking specifically when someone is made to go into the sex industry against their will? If prostitution is legalized, wouldn't that increase the number of willing participants, thereby decreasing the demand for forced participants? Does anyone have any sources about that?

Currently, I'm in favor of legalization because it would allow for regulation and workers wouldn't be afraid to report abuse, etc. But I'm willing to listen to valid statistics, if there's credible evidence that legalization would do more harm than good.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Using discredited statistics does no credit to a cause. Reply with quote

Greyman wrote:
There are real-world problems with the sex-industry, but using discredited statistics for propganda does no credit to a cause.


This particular strip could essentially be considered a top twenty Greatest Gross Misrepresentations of the Anti Sex Worker Cult.
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