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Open letter to Tatsuya Ishida
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Sam



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

\Be very careful when you’re navigating this event in terms of making proclamations about what tatsuya is or is not presently saying he is doing.



There’s nothing that in any way, shape, or form yet indicates that the new forum is intended to be the replacement forum, necessarily, rather than an adjacent forum. We don’t even have any clue whatsoever as to whether the forum’s registration or link hierarchy is going to be effected.

Though this is about the time I'd be concerned, for the most part.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KALXAK wrote:
Irinei wrote:
This seems like a pretty straight forward reply:
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July 1, 2018
Take The Long Way Home
Posted by Tatsuya Ishida

Hi.

I'm launching a new forum for people who like the message of my comic.

The new forum will be anti-pornography, anti-prostitution.

It will favor the radical feminist perspective over a liberal or conservative one.

So if you'd like to participate in a forum environment more in harmony with the comic, I invite you to join.

http://www.sinfest.net/forum

Thanks.


I'm wondering if he plans on actively moderating this second forum to keep in line with his perspective?


Fuck yes!

Bubye people!



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help but wonder why he didn't start a new comic to portray his preferred ideology, and construct a setting where the events and views are more congruent? Rather than try to take what was a very silly, off-the-cuff comic where cosmic forces squabbled like Looney Tunes characters, and try to turn it into a dark and compelling narrative?

If he were so unhappy with the state of Sinfest pre-radfem, why did he not end the comic then and there and actually start anew? Did he believe he could convert the audience to follow him wholeheartedly into his new belief system? Was he too attached to the characters, despite not wanting to keep them with their old personalities? Did he not want to leave the old unanswered questions and plot threads hanging, but had no easy way to wrap it up quickly with a sudden denouement?

If he didn't want to continue making a comic for the people who enjoyed it for what it already was, then an adversarial relationship with his existing audience was the only inevitable outcome of the decision to change its direction so drastically.

Yet drawing a new audience more agreeable to his views would also be difficult, because newcomers would have to read through the existing earlier strips that conflict with the later message. Anyone trying to join in right at the turning point would be hopelessly lost, because while rejecting the earlier strips' tone and views, it still builds on the character arcs and relationships established in them.

I'm not saying I want the comic to end, mind you. I'm holding out for the conclusion to those questions and plots, despite my previously stated misgivings on the ideological platform the comic now chooses to stand on, and its own inconsistent yet heavy-handed presentation thereof. I'm just wondering why he chose to try to fit a square peg in a round hole instead of making a new pegboard for all of his new ideas. In a way, the forum split is that, except... not.

The only recourse seen is apparently to divide the audience in half, allowing those agreeable and without criticism to follow to the new board, and the rest if us are left over here. I don't think I have ever seen a comic artist sequester their readers this way before. Oh well. Should be interesting to see how the audience ratio ends up panning out after all. I've gotten the distinct impression most of us aren't here out of a sense of agreement. :P
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MochaKimono wrote:
I can't help but wonder why he didn't start a new comic to portray his preferred ideology, and construct a setting where the events and views are more congruent? Rather than try to take what was a very silly, off-the-cuff comic where cosmic forces squabbled like Looney Tunes characters, and try to turn it into a dark and compelling narrative?

If he were so unhappy with the state of Sinfest pre-radfem, why did he not end the comic then and there and actually start anew? Did he believe he could convert the audience to follow him wholeheartedly into his new belief system? Was he too attached to the characters, despite not wanting to keep them with their old personalities? Did he not want to leave the old unanswered questions and plot threads hanging, but had no easy way to wrap it up quickly with a sudden denouement?

If he didn't want to continue making a comic for the people who enjoyed it for what it already was, then an adversarial relationship with his existing audience was the only inevitable outcome of the decision to change its direction so drastically.

Yet drawing a new audience more agreeable to his views would also be difficult, because newcomers would have to read through the existing earlier strips that conflict with the later message. Anyone trying to join in right at the turning point would be hopelessly lost, because while rejecting the earlier strips' tone and views, it still builds on the character arcs and relationships established in them.

I'm not saying I want the comic to end, mind you. I'm holding out for the conclusion to those questions and plots, despite my previously stated misgivings on the ideological platform the comic now chooses to stand on, and its own inconsistent yet heavy-handed presentation thereof. I'm just wondering why he chose to try to fit a square peg in a round hole instead of making a new pegboard for all of his new ideas. In a way, the forum split is that, except... not.

The only recourse seen is apparently to divide the audience in half, allowing those agreeable and without criticism to follow to the new board, and the rest if us are left over here. I don't think I have ever seen a comic artist sequester their readers this way before. Oh well. Should be interesting to see how the audience ratio ends up panning out after all. I've gotten the distinct impression most of us aren't here out of a sense of agreement. Razz



I think that a new Comic would have been not recognized by many People and he probably thought it would be easier to just shift the Story into a other direction.
Beside, it wasnt that he made a clean cut in the Story. Tat tried to do it step by step, but he put up more and more storystrings, so we have now about 12 different strings and it looks like there is no end to it. For every Question she tries to answer, 3 others pop up. The biggest Problem is, that this is a daily Comic with 4 Panels. What he can tell is rather limited and some things needs an entire Week to explain. This can be rather frustrating sometimes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure we're getting much in the way of story now. (For the last month, anyway.) Mainly it's "johnbies are bad" kind of over and over and over again, with the actual storyline stuff sort of ... sitting there. I miss pretty much the main cast we used to have, as many of them don't seem to be showing up much anymore. We haven't even seen much about how some characters react to, say, robo-Pimp, etc., like God or the Dragon or the Buddha.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MochaKimono wrote:


The only recourse seen is apparently to divide the audience in half, allowing those agreeable and without criticism to follow to the new board, and the rest if us are left over here. I don't think I have ever seen a comic artist sequester their readers this way before. Oh well. Should be interesting to see how the audience ratio ends up panning out after all. I've gotten the distinct impression most of us aren't here out of a sense of agreement. Razz


i am at least mildly amused at how the situation as it is appears to have come to be. it was literally a Popperian fable of tolerance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taemon wrote:
KALXAK wrote:
Irinei wrote:
This seems like a pretty straight forward reply:
Quote:

July 1, 2018
Take The Long Way Home
Posted by Tatsuya Ishida

Hi.

I'm launching a new forum for people who like the message of my comic.

The new forum will be anti-pornography, anti-prostitution.

It will favor the radical feminist perspective over a liberal or conservative one.

So if you'd like to participate in a forum environment more in harmony with the comic, I invite you to join.

http://www.sinfest.net/forum

Thanks.


I'm wondering if he plans on actively moderating this second forum to keep in line with his perspective?


Fuck yes!

Bubye people!




why do you people always come up with the most ironic analogies? I wonder why are yall still here to till very day lol \o
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignoring that your sentence structure there is gibberish, you DO recognize at the very minimum that you're the one constantly announcing departure, not us?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This literally isn't even the first time you've suggested departure. You already independently flounced once, like, literally
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MochaKimono wrote:
I can't help but wonder why he didn't start a new comic to portray his preferred ideology, and construct a setting where the events and views are more congruent? Rather than try to take what was a very silly, off-the-cuff comic where cosmic forces squabbled like Looney Tunes characters, and try to turn it into a dark and compelling narrative?

If he were so unhappy with the state of Sinfest pre-radfem, why did he not end the comic then and there and actually start anew? Did he believe he could convert the audience to follow him wholeheartedly into his new belief system? Was he too attached to the characters, despite not wanting to keep them with their old personalities? Did he not want to leave the old unanswered questions and plot threads hanging, but had no easy way to wrap it up quickly with a sudden denouement?

If he didn't want to continue making a comic for the people who enjoyed it for what it already was, then an adversarial relationship with his existing audience was the only inevitable outcome of the decision to change its direction so drastically.

Yet drawing a new audience more agreeable to his views would also be difficult, because newcomers would have to read through the existing earlier strips that conflict with the later message. Anyone trying to join in right at the turning point would be hopelessly lost, because while rejecting the earlier strips' tone and views, it still builds on the character arcs and relationships established in them.

I'm not saying I want the comic to end, mind you. I'm holding out for the conclusion to those questions and plots, despite my previously stated misgivings on the ideological platform the comic now chooses to stand on, and its own inconsistent yet heavy-handed presentation thereof. I'm just wondering why he chose to try to fit a square peg in a round hole instead of making a new pegboard for all of his new ideas. In a way, the forum split is that, except... not.

The only recourse seen is apparently to divide the audience in half, allowing those agreeable and without criticism to follow to the new board, and the rest if us are left over here. I don't think I have ever seen a comic artist sequester their readers this way before. Oh well. Should be interesting to see how the audience ratio ends up panning out after all. I've gotten the distinct impression most of us aren't here out of a sense of agreement. Razz


It seems strange for a creator who rarely interacts with his audience to create a separate forum intended for those with similar or identical views.
It's especially strange for this particular strip, for which I at least have always found the forum to be the better part of the strip.
Even in these latter days when I am less interested in the strip and its storylines that have deviated so far from even its own version of reality, I wander into the forum. Even when I have been away from the forum for a long period, for whatever is going on in my life that keeps me away or unable/unwilling to visit, the forum is in the back of my brain. I am more interested in the things my Sinfest connections have to say on social media than people I know in the "real world".
I suppose saying "hey, I've got a room just for my friends" is better than "GTFO if you don't like what I do", but it amounts to/feels like the same thing. If I'm no longer welcome, I guess I'll move on, regrettably.

Sequestering oneself from criticism or opposing views -- isolationism -- has never worked historically, IRRC.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is all so weird.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MochaKimono wrote:
Yet drawing a new audience more agreeable to his views would also be difficult, because newcomers would have to read through the existing earlier strips that conflict with the later message. Anyone trying to join in right at the turning point would be hopelessly lost, because while rejecting the earlier strips' tone and views, it still builds on the character arcs and relationships established in them.


I started with this page. Right when the feminist era begins in Sinfest.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KALXAK wrote:
I wonder why are yall still here to till very day lol \o


this explains so much about you. it seems we see something that you cannot. is that why it bothers you so much that we stay?

and don't you have a forum of your very own now, where you won't have to keep being confused by the rest of us?


i hope you don't go, Yorick. at least, not while there are still a few of us around. i miss your sense of humor when you aren't around.

(and of course, your mouse).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yorick wrote:
I am more interested in the things my Sinfest connections have to say on social media than people I know in the "real world".
I suppose saying "hey, I've got a room just for my friends" is better than "GTFO if you don't like what I do", but it amounts to/feels like the same thing. If I'm no longer welcome, I guess I'll move on, regrettably.

Sequestering oneself from criticism or opposing views -- isolationism -- has never worked historically, IRRC.


Tbh I don't think very much will change unless he plans to shutter/delist this forum

A handful of people will frequent the forum that is safe for their anti-porn, anti sex work, trans exclusionary radfem ... and bother us less.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
A handful of people will frequent the forum that is safe for their anti-porn, anti sex work, trans exclusionary radfem ... and bother us less.


You're just assuming that the new forum's going to be trans exclusionary. The anti-porn and anti-prostitution stance doesn't necessitate transphobia.


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