A schnargel is whatever society collectively identifies as a schnargel. Now you know what a schnargel is. Right? Does that make any sense whatsoever?SrPilha wrote:A woman is, in our society, whatever we collectively identify as such.Foxgloves wrote: How do you define 'woman'? (one sentence please, if possible)
The claim "trans women are women" is not an essentialist one, as I understand it, but an act of inclusion: "our understanding of 'woman' must cover these people as well".
I'm not sure this solves any of the discussions on this thread, but at least it might take us away from reifying some stuff that maybe shouldn't be.
No, it doesnâ€™t.
You wanna hear it from someone who has more patience to elaborate - here's one feminist critique of woman as a supposed social construction and queer theory over all: https://soundcloud.com/womenreadwomen/p ... -of-parody
Youâ€™re talking about women like were a medical diagnosis that gets updated with new discoveries or social attitudes. Like our existence is contingent on society believing in it. Imagine telling that to any other oppressed group of people. Oh wait, lesbians are being told their sexuality also needs an â€œinclusiveâ€ updateâ€¦ Not homophobic at all.
Please give me an objectively verifiable non circular definition of woman. You can tell me Iâ€™m being non-inclusive all day long, when everything else is just word salad, Iâ€™m not inclined to change to my mind.
PS to everybody: The comic is clearly refering to a specific group of transactivist allies, who are male, many of them still identifiying as male, using the movement as a veil to be shitty to women which the left only accepts because women who believe our oppression is based on bodies not identities are personas non grata. It's not a representation of all trans people, many of whom are perfectly friendly people, who don't deny reality or womens sex based oppression.